Wednesday, January 30, 2008

Zeitgeist - Fact or Fiction?

This may be old news to some of you. Apparently there was a movie released straight to YouTube back in July called 'Zeitgeist'. It's a 2 hour movie that makes a number of claims debunking Christianity, calling the events of 9/11 a conspiracy, and claiming that the international banking community will form the basis of a New World Order. I hadn't heard about it until my sister-in-law sent me a link to a 9 minute snippet of the film. This is that snippet:



When I got the email, I was asked my opinion on it - whether it was valid or not. My initial reaction after watching it is that this type of film is really not that much different than the type of stuff presented in 'The Davinci Code' or 'Angels & Demons'. Essentially the point (as I interpreted it) was to convince the viewer that Christianity is simply a derivation of other religions (nothing new in that claim - it's been around for years - and many of our traditions may well be just that) and that there is an international conspiracy going on to create a new world order/police state. I find that highly unlikely. This, to me, is repackaged garbage that's been floating around in different formats forever. Keep this fact in mind - this is a MOVIE - it's designed to cause stir/buzz/reaction. It certainly does that. But that does not mean it's factual. Call me a skeptic, but I think this is manipulation and fear mongering. That's just me - you judge for yourself!

Leave a comment and let me know what you think.

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

your typical stand offish approach to dispel these claims is a direct implication that this could be real. almost the lack of people saying that this is not true with no evidence against the fact nor any one with the capability to dispell these claims as false doing so, surly empowers the veiwer to question why no one has come forward with evidence against the fact this lack of evidence that the movie even claims could exist is almost proof in its self of these being fact.

Unknown said...

A reply to D. Murdock one of the people behind "zeitgeist the myth":
Dear Ms Murdock aka Acharya s,
How is it you can come up with your so called evidence even after historians proved the existence of Jesus? I have researched this myself and spoken with people such as Dr. Mike Licona. Yes, the man you refused to debate. I have researched you. Wow a degree in mythology. None in history or religion. I have had atheist historians laugh at your work!! How was Krishna born around Dec 25 when it is known that it was during the summer!!!???!!! Also the Womens encyclopedia of mythology is not a reliable source!!! Are you trying to create some kind of new cult??? Man if you only knew how many people are laughing at you. This is why you had to pay for your own publishing. You have people thinking that christian politicians are out there using christianity to write laws that favor them but yet around xmas people can lose thier jobs for saying merry xmas instead of happy holidays. Before I do I will make sure that you are totally debunked. You lie even to the atheists. YOU LIED TO EVERYBODY!! Hey people if she was stating facts then how come she turned down a debate with Dr. Mike Licona? He's one of the top scholars on the Resurrection and he can prove it. I invite everybody to read the letter that he har written in response to her book, "The Christ Conspiracy" and her advising for the Myth called "Zeitgeist the movie". Here's an excerpt from Dr. Mike Licona's letter:
A Refutation of Acharya S's book, The Christ Conspiracy
Written by Mike Licona
Copyright © 2001, TruthQuest Publishers

All Rights Reserved. No reproduction of any kind permissible without the expressed written consent of the publisher.

Acharya S is a skeptic with an interest in mythology who has written a book entitled The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold. This book presents an hypothesis of how Christianity came into being. Although it has received no attention from scholarship, with the lone exception of a negative book review and that from an atheist scholar,(1) The Christ Conspiracy has nonetheless gained support from a number of laypersons. The occasion for this paper is to assess Murdock’s major claims in a brief manner in terms of their accuracy and whether her book is a worthwhile contribution on the origin of Christianity. The paper will sample some of her major claims. No attempts will be made to defend the Christian worldview.

Acharya means "guru" or "teacher." Her actual name is D. Murdock.(2) Throughout the remainder of this paper, this author will be referred to as Ms. Murdock. The thesis of The Christ Conspiracy is that pagans and Jews who were Masons from the first and second centuries got together and invented the account of Jesus and his disciples in order to create a religion which it was hoped would serve as a one-world religion for the Roman empire. This religion would be a collage of all of the other world religions and combined with astrology.

This, of course, is a radical and unorthodox picture of Christianity. However, being radical and unorthodox does not invalidate a view. Notwithstanding, if Ms. Murdock’s picture of Christianity is to be believed as correct, she has to be accurate in her assessment of the details of the other religions she cites in terms of their similarities with Christianity, correct in her assessment of ancient astrology, correct in her peculiar datings of the Gospels, and correct concerning the Masons. If she is incorrect on any one of these, her hypothesis must be altered or abandoned. It is when we look at the areas of astrology, comparative religion, New Testament higher criticism, Freemasonry, and other issues, we find her to be incorrect in every one of these areas.

1. Astrology
Ms. Murdock claims that as myth developed, "it took the form of a play, with a cast of characters, including the 12 divisions of the sky called the signs or constellations of the zodiac. The symbols that typified these 12 celestial sections of 300 each were not based on what the constellations actually look like but represent aspects of earthly life. Thus, the ancient peoples were able to incorporate these earthly aspects into the mythos and project them onto the all-important celestial screen."(3) Based on this understanding, she claims that the mythical Jesus recognized the coming of the age of Pisces; thus, the Christian fish.(4)

Is it true that astrology played a large part in the formation of Christianity as Ms. Murdock asserts? Noel Swerdlow is Professor of Astronomy and Astrophysics at the University of Chicago. He has specialized in the study of the practice of astronomy in antiquity through the 17th century. I emailed Dr. Swerdlow on this matter. Here is what he had to say on Ms. Murdock’s view:

In antiquity, constellations were just groups of stars, and there were no borders separating the region of one from the region of another. In astrology, for computational purposes the zodiacal signs were taken as twelve arcs of 30 degrees measured from the vernal equinox. Because of the slow westward motion of the equinoxes and solstices, what we call the precession of the equinoxes, these did not correspond to the constellations with the same names. But . . . within which group of stars the vernal equinox was located, was of no astrological significance at all. The modern ideas about the Age of Pisces or the Age of Aquarius are based upon the location of the vernal equinox in the regions of the stars of those constellations. But the regions, the borders between, those constellations are a completely modern convention of the International Astronomical Union for the purpose of mapping . . . and never had any astrological significance. I hope this is helpful although in truth what this woman is claiming is so wacky that it is hardly worth answering.(5) So when this woman says that the Christian fish was a symbol of the 'coming age of Pisces', she is saying something that no one would have thought of in antiquity because in which constellation of the fixed stars the vernal equinox was located, was of no significance and is entirely an idea of modern, I believe twentieth-century, astrology.(6)

In other words, the ancient "Christ conspirators" could not have recognized the 12 celestial sections in order to incorporate them into a Christian myth and announce the ushering in of the Age of Pisces as Murdock claims, because the division into the celestial sections did not occur until a meeting of the International Astronomical Union in the 20th century!(7) Therefore, her claim is without any merit.

Here is the link to the full letter:
http://www.risenjesus.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=109

If you have any questions feel free to email me at maddpoettdyer@gmail.com
or you can contact anybody mentioned in the letter they will answer your questions.
And please remember I am not doing this to say hey become christians. I just think everybody should know the TRUTH about this Myth that she has written. Scott P. Pomroy

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